The stress, frustration and rage that I felt this passing week in regards to my upcoming visa run to the Cambodian border exasperates me. I’m confused by my response to it. I judge my inability to be impartial to it. I wonder if living in Thailand has made me stronger or it has broken me. I will not leave this country the same as when I arrived.
To be brief, visa runs essentially fall on the dates Thai immigration deems you must leave the country. You are allowed back into Thailand on the same day without having to obtain a new visa. For example, I was given a triple entry tourist visa after not being able to extend the business visa I was allowed for muay thai. A triple entry visa stipulates that I must leave Thailand approximately every two months in a six month term. After the sixth month, I must apply for another visa at a Thai Embassy in a foreign country.
The closest border crossing to Buriram is the Chong Chom (Thailand) / Osmach (Cambodia) immigration point. After passing through Thai immigration, crossing to Cambodia is no different than crossing a small parking lot with child beggars, grown male hustlers, a Cambodian immigration office and two casinos. Looking into the distance, all one can see is a long road that vanishes and the tops of a handful of buildings. It’s desolate. To cross at any other immigration point in the country leaving from Buriram would be a minimum two day affair. On my last crossing to Laos, the bus driver almost left me, at night, at a bus stop, in a town mostly asleep and one I’m unfamiliar with, due to complications issued with my ticket. The original bus station issuing the wrong type in conjunction with a Thai woman wanting my seat almost left me there. You can read about that here.
There are no regular buses that make the one and a half hour trip from Buriram to Chong Chom. All that exists are independently owned casino buses. I began taking one two and a half years ago via a friend in Buriram that vouched for me. The owner and driver of the casino bus took care of me during the eight hour, sometimes longer stay I spent at the casinos. Going with this casino bus driver meant I had to spend the day with the rest of the passengers at the casinos in Cambodia. I never once saw another Foreigner on one of his buses nor in one of the casinos. My walking into the casinos never went unnoticed by the majority of the patrons within.
Although extremely grateful for this man’s generosity, what could be a four hour trip turned into an eleven hour trip that wasn’t fun. I don’t gamble. In addition, every time I went, this man lost money because he never charged me for my seat on his bus. He also bought me food. This is the Thai concept of taking care, and when the man first agreed to extend his generosity towards me, I suspect he didn’t expect to do it indefinitely. Please note, he also would not accept any amount of cash from me.
On one occasion a friend agreed to drive me to the border and I made a trip with her and her girlfriend. They would wait for me in Thailand by the border as I crossed into Cambodia. The entire process should have taken no longer than twenty minutes. They waited in the car we arrived in.
Everything went as I knew it to happen, less the Cambodian immigration official trying to make me pay 1,100 baht ($35.75 USD at time of writing) rather than the $25 USD I could pay, so he could pocket some of the money. I had to politely stand my ground. I didn’t have 1,100 baht with me and I refused to go back to Thailand with one of the hustlers (guys who offer to help you with your immigration paperwork and expect a tip) who seemed to be working with him, go to an ATM and come back. Aside from this being illegal and ridiculous, it would void two months of my visa. I received my Cambodian visa, paid a Cambodian exit fee, crossed through Thai immigration and landed at a military checkpoint on the Thai side of the border. This was normal as Thailand and Cambodia have been having border disputes (military checkpoints are not conventions of all borders).
What wasn’t normal was the military official politely implying that he would not return my passport unless I gave him my telephone number.
And so began the dance I’ve become accustomed to in Thailand with certain men, of specific dispositions who hold positions of power. I had to politely play to his ego, never giving too much, to be deemed a whore and never giving too little, to insult him. In Thailand, the repercussions could be in any range, should he decide to issue any. It would be his decision, fueled by his power and not governed by any law, or rather, one that I have confidence would be enforced. The Thailand I know is discriminatory towards Foreigners particularly to Foreign females (basic explanations of how we’re viewed, here). What of the Tourist Police? What of the Canadian Embassy? Sure, possibly they could be of use, if the military official isn’t well connected, if I’m believed and after something that may potentially scar me for life occurs. If I’m found. And justice? What of the police? Not something to get into in this post, but as I’m beginning to feel more comfortable discussing what has occurred to me here, possibly due to a planned return to the West, expect more posts of my experiences in Thailand, including how the Canadian Embassy dealt with me when I looked to them for help regarding another situation which wasn’t limited to stalking and death threats over a one year period.
My heart races as I type this. As a result, I wonder, who the hell have I become?
Back to the story….
I tried to look neither judgmental nor flirtatious. I told him I couldn’t give him my telephone number as I believed he already had a woman. This plays into the male ego here as it implies he must be a player, which hints that he is either important, handsome, wealthy or any mix of the above. This plays into the Thai caste system as much as it does one’s ego. Reputation is everything in Thailand in ways that are foreign to most people born of the Western world. I was extremely polite and remained relaxed. He continually asked about where I lived in Buriram and a number of personal questions – the words of a military official and the eyes of a leering man. Why not give him a fake number? Because the custom in Thailand is, when someone gives you their number, you call them in their presence. Eventually I was given my passport and I left shaken. He did not receive my telephone number.
Months later and following a visa run to The Philippines came time for another visa run. That was today. I stressed over taking this trip to the Cambodian border alone. I didn’t want to see that official again. I also didn’t want to spend the day at the casino. The last time I spent a day at the casino, I gave my telephone number to a woman who worked there, and she called me relentlessly for months, sometimes up to three times daily. She began to give me attitude, meaning stress her disapproval of me not picking up all of her calls. I didn’t want to deal her. In regards to the military official, by the time the previously outlined situation took place, he had become someone I was accustomed to meeting on my visa runs. I believed he may possibly remember me, as other soldiers remembered me that day. They knew I was a boxer. Note, being a boxer puts me in a weird place in this situation – boxers are among the lowest on the caste system here, the joke sometimes being that the girls who are too ugly to work in the sex industry become boxers. However, as a number of soldiers were once boxers themselves, they often hold an appreciation of a boxer and may treat one with esteem as a result. I have been issued this respect by soldiers in the past. I’ve never met a female soldier. I don’t know if they exist. In short, I felt anything was possible. I had no idea what could or would happen to me. I had no idea how they would, could or did see me. What my value would be/is in their eyes. From my experience here in Thailand, women and children of lower social standing deal with exploitation that has hammered my brain and changed the way I view humanity forever. Not only does this exploitation exist and is rarely discussed in Western media, but it is rarely confronted in Thailand, including by the exploited themselves. Being white doesn’t necessarily put me above these women, it depends on how someone reads me. In a weird way, by issuing me the respect of inclusion in Thai society, meaning allowing me the same respect allotted to Thai women, may be, for some, issuing me no respect at all.
Why not take another casino bus? Because they aren’t necessarily safe for women to travel alone on. But I’ll save that for another post.
I made the trip today with three other people who were there to offer me support. As they couldn’t cross the border with me, the plan was for one of them to meet me between Thai immigration and the military checkpoint and we’d make that walk together. Upon reaching the border and before crossing into Cambodia, I was relieved to see that the military official I was to meet, was a stranger. I crossed the border, had an easy time with the Cambodian official who reeked of whiskey, didn’t deal with hustlers, gave one child beggar some coin, then reached Thai immigration and dealt with a similar scenario to the one I feared. From an immigration official, not anyone in the military. This incident wasn’t as extreme as the first as he didn’t imply he wouldn’t return my passport, but the immigration process was lengthened, the questions of my dealings in Thailand prolonged, and as I have to legally give them my place of stay, he has my address and told me he knew where that was. Again, I was polite but gave him no indication I was interested. The official eventually ventured out of the immigration booth, which I had never experienced before, led me to a table with paper and asked that I write my number on a piece. With my passport in his hand. I didn’t know what to do. He returned my passport seconds before I choked and gave him my number, but not before agreeing to. He asked if I would answer when he called. Passport in hand I politely smiled and said that I didn’t think so. He asked why. I told him because I believed he had a wife already. My answer pleased him.
There was an unforeseen complication with my visa, resulting in me being issued fifteen days rather than two months (fourteen actually, for some reason, immigration at any checkpoint tends to give one to three days less than what the visa actually stipulates). I had spent too much time out of the country while in The Philippines and missed the deadline for my two month stamp to be issued. The issued deadline present on the original visa didn’t correspond to the date I had to leave the country by, as deemed by the Thai immigration official when I landed in Bangkok from The Philippines. I have one month left here in Thailand, which means that I will need to do another visa run before I leave and hope for another fifteen day stamp.
The Thai immigration officer explained this to me. As I was leaving, he called out laughing, “See you in fifteen days!”
Eight hours after the event and I’m sitting here wondering….was the immigration officer flirting or was he abusing his power? He by no means was menacing but his eyes didn’t veil his attraction to me. They burned. And like the military official, the line of questioning began to follow the conventions of Thai flirting, and by flirting you can suss out a woman’s integrity by how she answers (so I’ve been taught, by men). This subject in itself is complicated. Nonetheless, by Western standards, his actions are completely unprofessional but this is a pattern that I’ve seen emerge in dealing with men of power in this country, not limited to muay thai trainers, immigration officers, the military, the police and doctors. But most importantly, I question my read of the situation. The military official implying he wouldn’t return my passport unless I gave him my phone number, that’s a distinct abuse of power, but what of the immigration official? Am I so scarred that I can’t tell the difference between flirting, which I would have easily written off as fucked up but not terrifying when I first landed in Thailand? Or have the years here wizened me? Do I now understand what it really means to be Other and less in Thailand or does it get worse? And as a result, do I really know what it means to be truly vulnerable in a social system that fails to protect the weak and teaches them to smile, not be serious, forget about the past and never deal with things directly? Middle class Thai women have been shocked by my stories, but lower class women haven’t been. Often I receive empathy and advice from those of the lower classes. The advice usually is to forget about it and to avoid that specific person. Little more. Have I been here so long and am I so damaged, that I not only question my responses to what has occurred in issues of power here, I judge them and as a result question my right to feel fear, frustration and rage? Am I extremely fucked up?
I question everything.
Who have I become? I don’t recognize this quivering me.
I’ve realized it’s time as my days here in Thailand are nearing an end, to really get into that which has lead me here, to this place, writing you.
Expect another post, next week.
Sunday, April 30, 2012
Read the next memoir, My Experience With Thai Police, here.
Read the previous memoir, How I Overdosed In A Filipino Hospital, here.
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Davie Pocstar says
LDF, that was heavy woman. Hat’s off to you for doing what you do. Are you heading back to the Tdot?
hugs,
-d
ldf says
thanks lady. i’m on my way there, but i’m not sure how many places i’ll hit before i arrive. lol!
Alex says
Since around the end of 2011, it has become protocol to write your phone number on the arrival card (I had to do it every time I went to Burma as well). If it was on a separate form, that would be real sketchy. I remember being surprised at how picky they had become as well. I used to just write the city I was staying in on my card, but now they want a full address. I memorized a place in Chiang Mai that I don’t even stay at just because the idea of giving my address annoys me.
บ้านเชียงใหม่ says
Your way of telling all in this post is in fact nice,
every one be able to effortlessly be aware of it, Thanks a lot.
Shama says
Wow, what a story! I am lucky that I live in Chiang Mai. Here the visa run is a very civilized and organized affair. You get on a VIP bus with only 3 seats across, a stewardess serving drinks and snacks, and you go right to the Thai border town of Mae Sai (takes 4 hours). Then you just walk through customs, do your thing in the Burmese immigration office, turn around and come back to Thailand, a 20 minute affair. Each and every day hundreds of foreigners are doing it, and nobody ever gets hassled. But that is because it is an established thing. I can imagine that it can be very different in other parts of Thailand, especially after reading your story.
ldf says
hi shama. i believe i did the border run at mae sai twice and i had absolutely no issues.
Vern says
I had no idea that foreign women had to deal with this at border crossings. I don’t remember traveling with any female to a border though. My only suggestion would be to spread your trips out to different areas. A pain in the arse – yeah, but which is worse? You might try just bringing a 50 THB SIM card to leave in your phone as you prepare to cross the border – and give the guys that number. Toss the SIM as soon as you can. If you see him again, the line about not believing he didn’t already have a wife would work there too I guess.
Anyway, great read – sorry it had to happen. I love Ubon, Buriram, Sisaket, all those spots. The food is the best.
Cheers,
Vern
ldf says
Thank-you Vern. Much appreciated!
Mina says
Read this post with a lot of interest! I feel for you. I always get nervous with official and visa stuff – fortunately something like this hasn’t happen to me (but I don’t do Visa runs). I would be terrified! Couldn’t you just tell them, that you are married?
Although I know what you mean. I do not enjoy the interview questions some Thai men ask and even though most might just be curious about me as a foreigner, I avoid overly friendly answers and keep the conversation to a minimum.
ldf says
Hi Mina, I don’t believe telling them I was married would deter much, as ‘my husband’ wasn’t with me. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard Thais discuss their assumptions of Westerners having a culture of ‘free sex’ – ie. we’re up for anything regardless of marriage, etc. It’s the prevailing stereotype unfortunately. That being said, it is perhaps a good idea in the sense that they would assume someone was expecting me to make it back home / I would have someone checking in with me.
Great to hear you don’t do Visa runs! They can be such a mixed bag.
Emily Moleon says
Jeez. That’s pretty scary about the Thai officials with power. I don’t think I’d ever want to come across one of those guys…
Dan Conway says
Or maybe tell them you just got engaged (wear
a cheap ring) and you’re fiancé is a civil rights
Attorney…Ciao.
Naomi says
Hiya there, reading your post has actually made me a little more worried than I initially was. I’m planning a trip to Thailand over the next coming months and will hopefully be leaving in November time. I was hoping to get a Triple Entry visa, but your post explaining your encounters with these men at the boarders have worried me. What on earth has a girl my age with such a lack of experience have a chance??
Oh dear
ldf says
Hi Naomi,
If you’re traveling in areas / near borders with consistent Foreign traffic, you’ll unlikely encounter a similar situation. Due to where I was living, I was crossing at points that don’t see a lot of Foreign women. Also note, the fact that I can speak Thai opens doors for inappropriate behaviour.
For your first border run, if available, I suggest paying to go on a visa run bus specifically geared towards Foreigners as opposed to traveling on your own on public transportation. Speak to other Foreigners in your area to find the most reliable visa tour company.
Also this link will take you to a number of posts to help you navigate Thai culture. Reading them will put you ahead of the game.
http://www.milkblitzstreetbomb.com/thailand/resources-for-foreign-chicks-in-thailand/
Watthanaya says
Good read and very practical information!
“I told him because I believed he had a wife already. My answer pleased him.”
Just got a Non-Immigrant O Visa (1 year- unlimited entries). Gives me 90 day per entry; from the village I can go to the newly opened Immigration Bureau in Khorat city and have that extended 30 days. Last time I was there the lady liked me and asked me how many days I needed and said she could get me a better visa. In that particular situation I didn’t more than 30 days so I politely declined, meaning I don’t know if in the end she would have wanted money. I also had my super cute halfer-daughter with me, so I am sure that helped.
This time, if I am lucky, will only have to leave the country once for every 120 days (except to travel to Laos to fight and visit family). Once in Thailand however I am hoping to obtain a long term visa. One thing your post didn’t mention (and it varies time to time) is how much these visa runs can end up costing, where most of the costs are usually unexpected! Even if driven by friends, it will be expected I pay gas in food; my friends don’t have any money to drive their cars so for the most part they are pretty excited when an opportunity comes along where they can!
Looks like however I will be heading to Chom Chong! Wish me luck!
ldf says
Visa runs can completely add up! Not having the time to review my article right now…if I didn’t write it, I’d recommend paying the Cambodian Visa in USD. It ends up being cheaper as they won’t be able to increase the price/take a cut/exploit the situation as easily. It always worked for me although one time they tried to send me back to Thailand to an ATM to get Thai money to give them (and increase the price). I refused stating it would void my Thai Visa. Super shady and a pain because they were trying to send a border runner with me….I kept refusing politely……baaaaaaaaaah (that’s my venting my frustration)……..I’d recommend having only the exit tax in Thai visibly in hand/in your wallet (assuming you’re not staying overnight in Cambodia). Hide the rest somewhere else if you need to.
Best of luck and it’s exciting to hear you got a Non-Immigrant O! Have fun out there!
Eldridge says
This stuff sux, but let it make you tough, prepare for the unexpected so when it happens you handle it better and not be in fear /shock. If i was you, I would have been honest and said that my number is private or question him as to why he needs it. if he lies and says its for security or whatever bs he can come up with, you could just give him the number and block him when ever he tried to call ya . No need to flatter them with those “I think you have a wife all ready ” statements cuz it can backfire and make him think the only reason you havent given him the number is really cuz of that reason and that means to him that you would gladly otherwise cuz you are interested. He might not have a wife or might not even care and still demand that numba. On a good note, feel good that you are a desirable attractive woman that many men wanna get their hands on and not some ugly invisible woman that they wouldnt give the time of day too.
Laura Dal Farra says
Thank-you,
Angela says
Namaste
In regards to:
The advice usually is to forget about it and to avoid that specific person. Little more. Have I been here so long and am I so damaged, that I not only question my responses to what has occurred in issues of power here, I judge them and as a result question my right to feel fear, frustration and rage? Am I extremely fucked up?
I question everything.
Who have I become? I don’t recognize this quivering me.
When I read this, the thought that popped into my head was simply….self enquiry…yoga
Warm regards
angela
Laura Dal Farra says
<3 <3 <3